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True Believer: The Rise and Fall of Stan Lee

True Believer: The Rise and Fall of Stan Lee

porAbraham Riesman
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Andrew Lord
3,0 de 5 estrelas Stan was "the Man"
Avaliado no Canadá em 10 de março de 2021
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A sad ending for an iconIc legend who helped to bring happiness to children of all ages. Whether he meant to or not. The author warns that you may not like the truths revealed within. He was partially correct. The rise was exciting, the fall a disappointment. Overall a fair value.
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Chris
5,0 de 5 estrelas A Great Read
Avaliado no Canadá em 6 de julho de 2021
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Nobody in the spotlight is always who they seem, even good old Stan Lee.
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Noman Bajwa
5,0 de 5 estrelas Best Biography of the Iconic Marvel Founder
Avaliado no Canadá em 18 de julho de 2021
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I liked everything about this book. Thoroughly researched and poignantly written, Riesman has done a great service for everybody interested in the Marvel empire and learning about the complex human being that Stan Lee was.
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rup31
5,0 de 5 estrelas A very good book
Avaliado na Austrália em 21 de fevereiro de 2021
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I really enjoyed reading this book - it was very illuminating
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Stephen W. Gordon
1,0 de 5 estrelas Imagine your worst enemy wrote a biography of you.
Avaliado nos Estados Unidos em 24 de fevereiro de 2021
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I have read biographies of Hitler that were more sympathetic to their subject.

You will hard pressed to find a single redeeming feature that Stan Lee possesses. No complement is given without an almost instant backhand slap or a search to find a self serving motive behind it.

When I was a kid, in the 60s, reading Marvel and DC comics I could tell you who any Marvel artist or inker was because they got credit on the title page of any comic. With DC I only had the vaguest idea who was who, DC didn't give credit. Stan Lee was responsible for giving credit. How was this underhanded? What was his real motive? His crime... was that he got top billing. This is just one example of hundreds. No act is too tiny not to be second guessed. My favorite? Stan enlisted in the army during WWII, his short coming? He didn't enlist fast enough.

Stan gets the blame for every short coming of the comics industry. Low pay, poor conditions, work for hire... all Stan's fault. The author seems to forget that while Jack Kirby didn't profit from the characters he created, neither did Stan. (Not that he really created anything.) Marvel owns the Avengers, Spider-man, Xmen, Thor, the Hulk etc etc. Stan sure didn't.

Speaking of who created what. It is hard to imagine that Stan created every character without help from the Marvel artists and people he worked with. So much of any character is the fantastic design and look Jack Kirby game them. It equally hard to believe that Stan created NOTHING. It was all the people around him. I'll let you guess the side this book takes.

Personally I think it was a collaborative effort. My proof? I don't think Stan was ever as good without Jack Kirby. And Jack Kirby was never as good without Stan. Who's Abbott without Costello? Who's Laurel without Hardy?

What a chore it must have been to write this book, loathing your subject.
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Michael A. Burstein
5,0 de 5 estrelas Who Was Stan Lee, Really?
Avaliado nos Estados Unidos em 19 de fevereiro de 2021
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I've been a comic book reader and superhero fan my whole life, and over the years I've read many biographies of the creators behind the characters. Probably no one is as well known as a superhero and comic creator than Stan Lee. Over the years, we've all heard the stories of how he co-created the superheroes of the Marvel universe and there have been many exhaustive attempts to figure out exactly how much Stan contributed compared to the artists he worked with, such as Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko.

Abraham Riesman's new take on Stan Lee might seem to some readers to swing the pendulum too far the other way, but the fact is that Stan Lee's stories about his own life are often hard to parse. Riesman backs up his book with many references and interviews and makes it clear when there is a controversy, something that Lee and his artists often didn't, since they were part of the controversy. Furthermore, Riesman tells an incredibly engaging tale that is impossible to put down.

Whether you love or hate Stan Lee, whether you knew him personally or not, you need to read this book if you want to understand Stan Lee and the vital role he played (and still plays, even after his death) in pop culture.
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Voice of Reason & Concern
1,0 de 5 estrelas UNFAIR AND UNBALANCED: THE MOST JAUNDICED POSSIBLE VIEW OF STAN LEE
Avaliado nos Estados Unidos em 24 de fevereiro de 2021
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One anecdote sets the stage and condemns the content of this book and any pretense of impartiality on the part of the author. A dear friend of Stan's who worked alongside him on special projects died in a terrible accident; and, according to the author, someone who knew a late-in-life assistant to Jack Kirby said Kirby blamed Stan for the death, because he was working the guy too hard and that he'd never let Stan work him that hard.

In the Stan versus Jack debate, Riesman is clearly in the latter's side. However, in a sublime lack of awareness and without obvious intent, he shows Jack to be petty, bitter, pugnacious, grossly forgetful with what for all the world appears to have been early onset dementia, and wholly unlikeable - no statement of which I agree. I am as big of a Jack Kirby fan as Stan. They were living, breathing men with talents and shortcomings. They were never plaster saints and I didn't want them to be.

Besides, there's was never a love story. They were guys. Just guys. Guys fight, get over it, break up friendships, get back together as if nothing ever happened, and move on.

Stan has started to be treated like dirt. It's kind of the popular thing and the author is on that bandwagon and fairly transparent about it. When Stan did something that never occurred to anyone else or did it better, he praises him begrudgingly. When Jack or Steve Ditko did something vicious, passive-aggressive or ridiculous, he's pretty forgiving.

The author seems to be relying rather heavily upon intuition as evidence and hearsay masquerading as fact, but if either was introduced in a court of law rather than the court of public opinion, it would be disallowed.

I'm not sure what book Neil Gaiman was reading when he reviewed this. My guess is that they had to carefully cherry pick the most advantageous comment to reflect positive light on this unfortunate amalgam of misinformation and disinformation. In fact, the author is well-acquainted with cherry picking. He does it throughout the book.
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Voice of Reason & Concern
1,0 de 5 estrelas UNFAIR AND UNBALANCED: THE MOST JAUNDICED POSSIBLE VIEW OF STAN LEE
Avaliado nos Estados Unidos em 24 de fevereiro de 2021
One anecdote sets the stage and condemns the content of this book and any pretense of impartiality on the part of the author. A dear friend of Stan's who worked alongside him on special projects died in a terrible accident; and, according to the author, someone who knew a late-in-life assistant to Jack Kirby said Kirby blamed Stan for the death, because he was working the guy too hard and that he'd never let Stan work him that hard.

In the Stan versus Jack debate, Riesman is clearly in the latter's side. However, in a sublime lack of awareness and without obvious intent, he shows Jack to be petty, bitter, pugnacious, grossly forgetful with what for all the world appears to have been early onset dementia, and wholly unlikeable - no statement of which I agree. I am as big of a Jack Kirby fan as Stan. They were living, breathing men with talents and shortcomings. They were never plaster saints and I didn't want them to be.

Besides, there's was never a love story. They were guys. Just guys. Guys fight, get over it, break up friendships, get back together as if nothing ever happened, and move on.

Stan has started to be treated like dirt. It's kind of the popular thing and the author is on that bandwagon and fairly transparent about it. When Stan did something that never occurred to anyone else or did it better, he praises him begrudgingly. When Jack or Steve Ditko did something vicious, passive-aggressive or ridiculous, he's pretty forgiving.

The author seems to be relying rather heavily upon intuition as evidence and hearsay masquerading as fact, but if either was introduced in a court of law rather than the court of public opinion, it would be disallowed.

I'm not sure what book Neil Gaiman was reading when he reviewed this. My guess is that they had to carefully cherry pick the most advantageous comment to reflect positive light on this unfortunate amalgam of misinformation and disinformation. In fact, the author is well-acquainted with cherry picking. He does it throughout the book.
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Dan Seitz
5,0 de 5 estrelas A fascinating, human portrait of a man who rarely gets one
Avaliado nos Estados Unidos em 20 de fevereiro de 2021
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[This review was also posted to my Goodreads account.]
If you grew up loving comics, you probably grew up loving Stan Lee. And, to this point, to the extent Lee's life has been probed at all, it's been done by friends or fans. Even though the controversy around whether Lee or Jack Kirby can claim the most credit for Marvel's creations has been out in the open for a while, Stan's still been "Stan the Man," beloved cameo artist and figurehead.

Riesman (who, full disclosure, I'll be interviewing shortly after this review runs) takes a more neutral stance, focused entirely on Stanley Lieber as he works his way into a publishing job and, by degrees, becomes Stan Lee, glib and delightful public speaker and character. It's not entirely shocking that Lee's self-presentation as a doggerel-spouting cheerleader is something of a front; the man would have to have been painfully simple-minded for that to be his actual personality.

Still, what Riesman brings out is a far more complex and sometimes unpleasant person than Stan allowed fans to see, and curiously what often emerges is that Stan's everything-sunny-always behavior covered not just Stan himself but many of the people around him, including those he wronged. Kirby, for example, is often treated as a martyr to creator's rights in the industry, but while Stan doesn't come off well when Riesman discusses it, Kirby's less-than-tasteful treatment of those in Stan's orbit, Roy Thomas in particular, doesn't exactly cover him in glory. There are even some discussions of Martin Goodman here, hardly somebody held in esteem by comics nerds, that make it clear Stan covered for his boss and relative long after he really shouldn't have.

Interestingly, perhaps Riesman's best point is that Stan was never a particularly great writer (and even the most generous fan in touch with reality will admit this), but he was a great editor and manager, and the great tragedy of Stan's life is that he could never accept this skill as enough. There's a funny moment where Stan, late in life, takes apart the plot structure of a comic he's being pitched and has a great point.

All that said, the final section will be a tough read. Just how much Stan exploited others versus how much he was exploited or used to exploit others we'll probably never know for sure, but it makes for tragic, ugly reading, pocked with some fairly bizarre characters.

In the end, what comes out of this book is that Stan Lee was a character, being played all the time, and the man behind the character was not the saint we comic fans might prefer. If you're a fan of the comics, or just curious about the man, it's a must-read.
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John A. Speakman
5,0 de 5 estrelas Throughly researched biography that deeps deeply into Stan Lee the legend and man
Avaliado nos Estados Unidos em 24 de fevereiro de 2021
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I was a child reading Marvel Comics in the mid 1960’s when Stan Lee was working with Jack Kirby on Fantastic Four (#55 was my first issue), Thor (Annual #1 my first), Don Heck on Avengers (#32 1st), and other great books by Stan working with Gene Colan, Steve Ditko, and others. I have read several Stan Lee biographies and do rate this as my favorite as far as research and covering Stan’s entire life. The author does not shy away from the controversies that surrounded Stan either. I have read much in the past about who created which Marvel character and have my beliefs on who is the creator. I know that Doctor Strange was Steve Ditko’s creation and Silver Surfer was Jack Kirby’s alone. I also believe Black Panther and the Inhumans were all Jack based upon some info covered by a reliable source. Also based on Joe Simon’s recollections and Steve Ditko’s coverage of the original material he was presented with on Spider-Man, Jack Kirby brought the idea to Marvel and it was revised heavily by Steve Ditko into the character we know. Besides the Daredevil name I believe most of the look and background of the strip was Bill Everett’s work I feel the Fantastic Four is likely Stan’s with design work by Jack. I have no clue about the other characters, some feelings that would assign some to Stan and some to Jack. Stan did create and infuse the Marvel Universe with many great characters, often with input from the artist and always made the comics fun to read. This book does discuss the creation issues but doesn’t get too far into weeds. The truth is, besides Spider-Man and Doctor Strange the waters are very murky. Jack Kirby looms large in this book (as he should). At the end of the book I can’t help but look at Jack married to the wonderful Roz, surrounded by his loving and loved children and grandchildren, strong in his faith, and accompanied through his life by many fans he welcomed into his home and family. Stan may have had the money but Jack was by far the richer man. The many interviews the author conducted have filled in many gaps and have done the world a service as I would expect scholars to still be looking into the work of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Steve Ditko a hundred years from now. As others state this is a book that grabs the reader and forces them to finish it in minimal sittings. I had Stan sign many items for me through the years to include his last comic con, Silicon Valley Con. I was amazed how weak he looked compared to the previous signing I attended at Amazing Comics in San Francisco just after Joan died. At the con his energy was gone. I was scheduled for Sunday and didn’t hear any announcement that he was signing so I got there at the end of the signing (I had five Silver Age omnibus) and Had only two people behind me. Stan looked drained and advised he no longer wanted to sign as he was tired. This was two people in front of me so I told his handlers I’d be fine with a refund and let Stan rest. They told Stan he needed to finish with us, the last in line. It was truly sad. Shortly after that my friend and I watched them wheel a slumped down Stan in a wheelchair away. We knew that would be the last time we saw the man. Sad to think of those last years in Stan’s life. The last book chapter I was thinking of that last signing. Buy this book, celebrate the life of Stan, good and bad, and appreciate the good things we have in our lives. Peace
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Adam
5,0 de 5 estrelas A biography of the highest order
Avaliado nos Estados Unidos em 18 de fevereiro de 2021
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Incredibly insightful and well researched. The mythology that Mr. Lee created for himself over the course of seventy plus years falls before a journalist of Mr. Riesman's caliber. From the shtetl to the Hollywood Hills, Lee's life is unpacked for the first time. True Believers is destined to be lasting record of Stan's colorful life.
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